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who have won the cpac straw poll, jack kemp was a three-time winner, phil gramm, steve forbes, gary bower, rudy guiliani, george allen and ron paul was a two-time winner. not a president among them on that bunch. i guess the question is, what's the significance of this announcement once we find out who the winner was? >> it sort of takes the temperature of this room some of the movers and shakers in the conservative movement. some of the opinion makers, a lot of tv and radio people opinion makers are out in the crowd. and they sort -- it sort of takes their temperature and what they're talking about on the street. there is a lot of time and distance between these events and actual people casting ballots in november, either the midterms or the presidential election. >> molly? >> yes? >> this is arrest they will. pardon the interruption. we just got word from our producers, rand paul has won the straw poll. coming in at second, marco rubio. so there you have it. rand paul, senator rand paul coming in first, the republican from kentucky, and senator marco rubio coming in at second plac
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